Nature of energy, Black holes

[mirrorwraith]

I am going to agree with Einstein and say our perception of quantum mechanics is flawwed. He was unhappy about it, and It drastically clashes with my feelings on reletivity. However, It could be just our own problem. How do we know they HAVE to agree? What if the massiveness of an object creates another field that we have no knowledge of, or a simple flaw in our understanding in something as common as magnetism could bring such a catastrophic contrast between two major understandings in nature. I wanted to throw this out here.

In a black hole it's said it's an infinately dense object, perhaps there is no limitation on the speed of energy. I believe it forces matter to travel at speeds that pull it apart, disintigrate it. In effect, it must transform all it's own matter into energy and that energy is expended in forcing it's speed to again increase, which could in effect create a whirlpool effect of gravity if there is ANY mass whatsoever at the very center. The rotational momentum may have an effect on the gravity itself. It would explain also why black holes evaperate,

Quantum mechanics shows flaws...take a google search on quantum black holes...it's quite interesting.

~Kyle

[Buu]

I'm going to have to both agree, and disagree with you. While our perception of quantum mechanics is flawed, it is flawed ONLY because the observer has not yet mastered the connection between his consciousness and the portal for that consciousness - the body. Were we to have complete control over our own self, then I belive certain mysteries would pull away to reveal a simple woven tapestry of law and intuitive physical behavior. So it is not our perception that is flawed, but the means through which we perceive it which is.

Insofar as black holes are concerned - your viewpoint is fairly standard. Matter is accelerated and compressed to the point where space expands, and light can no longer escape its gravitational well. Thus said it's a SINK in the fabric of space.. and while a HOLE is not entirely accurate, it might be better defined as a singularity that is not wholly singular. After all, a singularity with nothing else would not be able to emit entropy / Hawking radiation.

So what is it then? Perhaps the matter itself instead of being 'disintegrated' as you put it, is instead being pulled apart into its most basic forms - quarks and the like. The presence of such matter in a quantum state within such a heavy gravity well (which would no doubt lead to gravity no longer being the most powerful force) wouldn't allow for the normal passage of space/time and would certainly exist in a diferent dimensional state than typical 3d. Perhaps the black hole breaks down all complex matter into the building blocks of quantum reality which would lay several dimensions beneath time and exist in a timeless state. What then accounts for the extremely slow but steady release of Hawking Radiation? Perhaps as the material remains in a state of quantum flux, occasionally it polarizes in a certain way and releases a tiny particle of newly created matter or focused energy out into the universe.

So what then is a White hole? New matter being spit out into the universe from the fourth dimension? The manifest creations of thought coalescing in some sort of reverse dimensional vortex turning energy from thought into matter?

Who knows. Maybe the creation of universes is a more common thing than we originally thought. Perhaps all it takes to create an entire universe is a thought so strong it can force energy to revert back into a massive state, turning thought and energy into form.

Does this mean that all of us at some point in time, will be gods not only of ourself, but of the universes we create out of our own energy? What then created the universe we are in? Perhaps the universe itself? PErhaps we are in a universal universe, living only upon one page in one simple lesser dimension, so that we might take our experiences and learn from them, to better prepare what lie in store?

All quite fascinating stuff.

[mirrorwraith]

Yes, yes it is.

I've heard of mormans speak of becoming gods if they lived their lives according to their scriptures, as well as many Paganistic branches believing we become what we are connected to in the universe. As though there are threads connecting us each with something in the cosmos that we can't see, only reflectively feel. I used to spend hours trying to prove a form of astrology real, that we are one with a piece of the cosmos and all connected through one another to all things. Inevitably being 1 entity, 1 soul, 1 truth, 1 simplicity. Time that pulls us apart, is only our understanding of it. Though, I was very ****'d up for most of it. There was also this thing about the sun I used to try for that was crazy to me, sunspots are chunks of the metalic core and our sun is much older than we believe it as. That mercury was once a gas giant, that was drained by the sun and cooked over many millienia's of time. That the Aztecs and Mayans were right, that this will be the final solar cycle before the red sun reaches in it's last gasp to survive. 'Till it's final gasp of life, then I believe the Jovial planets will be responsible for continueing the life of this solar system. Like seeds from a plant.

I haven't talked about that in a long time, I switched to mushrooms.

[BroKenBoX]

There are many different ways to study the universe, whether scientifically or spiritually, but in the end all paths lead to the same goal, reaching the unreachable, obtaining the unobtainable, understanding that point beyond your vision that you cannot see with your eyes but know it well all the same.
Its funny because we try to think about the universe in entirety but we cant even understand an inch.